Double file restarts or single file???

[Atticarayburn83]

Double file restarts are great for the fans. But in this economy right now that we live in there is no way it can happen. It only takes one guy up front to have one little mistake to make a parking lot. When a parking lot happens, lots of dollars go down the drain. Like I said, in this economy there wont be as good as a car count and the ones out there dont have a big budget. So one of those double file restarts might end one or maybe many more teams season. I know the double file restarts are great for the fans but not the low budget racers. The best restart in late models that I have ever seen actaully was at the shade when they had the cone in turn 3. Thought that was awesome. Put the cone in turn three so only ONE car can get through it. So there no judgement calls at the cone saying someone past another car before it. Then fire at the cone, simple and exciting.

[rmrc]

double file,all green at the wave of the green is the fairest way to race.  I race bombers when I can afford to, but have lots of years doing it.  I think the flagman should wave the green as the "field" is in/coming out of ...turn 4.  the leader can't fire until the flag actually waves and must fire before the flagstand.  Once the leader fires...all bets are off.  As for all of you worried about wrecks...you should really study your competition better. I know I was/am  aware of what cars are fast and what cars aren't.  There are always exceptions, but all of you drivers watch each others races to check out the competition and the "groove", so just do your homework and be the driver that your fans think you are.   JMHO  Jeff Strock, 622Bomber

Great post Jeff...I agree all the way. It kinda mirrors what Brian Ruhlman said. Spot on both of ya!!

[jac20]

Even being a low budget racer myself i think double file restarts are the way to go. We are moving up from the sportsman ranks into the Late Model ranks this year so it will be alot more expensive for myself and my car owner. But even with that being said i still believe double file restarts are the way to go. As far as some cars wrecking and ending their season you will have that whether you single or double file restart.

[rmrc]

Okay, my thoughts:

As weekend racers, part of our job is to make sure that the fans are entertained to the point where they want to come back regularly. The double file restarts can be a crash fest if the guys drive with their heads in uhmmmmm awkward positions! If we do our job as we should, we can make 2 wide restarts exciting and safe. I say let's do it...........as long as the track is "green everywhere" when the flagman starts the race. The green everywhere rule also removes a judgement call. As long as nobody fires before the leader, there can be no calls for jumping a restart. At Oakshade a convenient starting point for the leader would be from the "orange monster" to about 1/2 way to the flag stand. It's still the leaders race to start. When the leader fires, it should be "game on"! If the leader is sleeping and dosen't fire until the final starting point, the flagman waves the green and again, it's game on! Pretty simple and I'm betting that there would be less incidents on restarts, no more "jump calls" and lotsa excitement for the fans. Who could ask for more?

[Champ2x36]

Double file!  And when the green flag drops it's green for everybody!

[Links]

Double file was used for a while last season no? Or was that the season before? Not any more wrecks then normal. Still started where they always did.

The economy has nothing to do with it.

[Ruhlman Race Cars]

The initial start of every race we run is double file. Why should it be any different on restarts?

[bloomerfan1]

Double file restarts will work well if everyone is allowed to pass once the leader fires. If we all have to pass the cone before passing, it will create alot of restart wrecks due to everyone not getting up to speed at exactly the same rate. Oakshade is plenty wide enough to handle everyone racing when the leader fires.

how many wrecks did it create the last time they tryed it?    if everyone fires when the leader dose u still will have ppl that arnt paying attention causing bottlenecks and potental wrecks.  the big problem with the cone double or single file is the jumping of the start.and i think thats where the line is not defined .  1 cone on the inside of the track leaves to much greay area interpritation  depending on where the offical is looking at the cone.  no passing b4 the cone is a good rule witch creates sumthing that is black and white.. if you break it theres consequences.  and the rule to define passing should be relooked at. at one time if i remeber your nose could be to the guys B-post and it still not be passing. now even if your at the rear quarter its called passing.  if anything there are more wrecks in turn 1 and 2 for the double file restarts. specailly when u get the green white checkerd scenairio going.

I dont race late models or at all for that matter however not passing before the cone is one of the reasons that double file restarts are essential.If you have 24 cars on the track and the leader fires at the cone the race is officially restarted why should a car in say row 6 have to wait for the cone to pass, the cone might be a good rule for cars 1-6 but cars 7-20 or whatever get the shaft.JMO  DOUBLE FILE IS THE WAY TO GO

[skinny4s]

being a driver that has spent way to many dollars because of situations where there is no where to go on restarts and even starts for that matter i say single file, the congestion of a double file restart in the bomber class is crazy, 20+ guys that wanna haul a$$ into turn one and some not being able to completely control their racecar it tends to create a mess and a big bill!! JMO but for the fans i love watchin the LM start double file or even for big races 4 wide would be sweet!!!

[rmrc]

4 wide............OMG!!!!!

[R4Rich]

Single File Restarts.


I can't afford to put my equipment and money into somebody else's decision!

[aero2t]

would like to know if u r talking about double file restarts for all classes or just late models.....second i am a driver with limited funds and to tell u the truth i dread the starts at oakshade all ready....i run a bomber and like skinny4s said starts in our division become very costly....not sure if its the inexperince in our class or people just not using their heads or what....but i have elected to start at the tall of alot of races just to stay out of the turn one and two pile ups.....i think the late models might b different but still some of us who dont have the funds to repair our car every week dread any start thats double file....just a thought from onr of the smaller guys....but double file is very exciting for the fans...and if it helps the attendance and can help oakshade improve the track....and maybe even get us drivers some more at the pay out window then i am all for it....but as of right now kinda split....

[Jody Shannon]

Double File. Florence has done them at regular shows for almost 10 years now.

[bowlinchucki]

For what it's worth........here's my two cents worth.

The biggest reason that we have pile ups in the bomber division at the start of a race is just not thinking. Terry waters the track between races and for the first couple of laps it is a little greasy. If everyone would keep that in mind and not drive into turn 1 on the first couple of laps like they do on lap 5 we would have much better luck with starting a race. Double file restarts should not be a wreck fest (unless someone just can't resist the urge to drive into someone) because the track won't be freshly watered at that point.

We have 20 or so cars in a Bomber feature and there is a big difference between being 20th in single file or 10th on the outside. I think this would work much better if the flagman started us for all starts at the flagstand and if when he waves the green flag it was green everywhere.

Chuck Faller

[ninatiels]

double all the way. but I DO have one concern. the hornets can pass weaker cars before the flag but no one else can. if you spin, you can get stuck behind a car who's top speed is bearly above that of the caution lap. I think those guys should be passable right off the start. if the hornets can pass the guys who only bring 3HP engines before the cone, then why not the bombers. and we ALL know which cars I am talking about. and if the pretenders in nascar can handle double file restarts then the pros at the shade should be able to. and worst case, we have the cone AND a line on the wall. no passing untill you have passed between them except that guy who doesnt have enough ponies to keep up with the 50/50 girl walking along the fence